tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post4636960504354026916..comments2018-06-03T16:55:00.096-04:00Comments on A Rose Among Thorns: The ChoiceHaley Longhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06498597671137517090noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-26432783625962205722013-04-24T18:28:28.458-04:002013-04-24T18:28:28.458-04:00Thank you so much for your support! I greatly app...Thank you so much for your support! I greatly appreciate it! <br /><br />And thank you very much for this information. It will be of some good use. :)<br /><br />God bless you!Haley Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06498597671137517090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-50861396863639065202013-04-24T14:17:19.087-04:002013-04-24T14:17:19.087-04:00I think it is great that you have chosen to tackle...I think it is great that you have chosen to tackle such an assignment and applaud your gracious response to the criticism you have received. <br />I am compelled to explain a bit of the biology behind the arguments regarding fetuses feeling pain because it is not a simple concept to explain. Cheryl is correct. A fetus will react to a threatening stimulus by trying to move away or show other social cues that they are in pain. The stimulus (touch by a probe etc.) elicits a response (moving away, grimace) due to conduction through nerves, which indeed are developed very early in a pregnancy. However, very simple organisms such as flat worms will also have such automated responses to different stimuli because it it beneficial. That does not mean they have the brain power to consciously understand that they are being threatened with harm, that if they do not avoid the stimulus they will have pain, or what pain even represents. Poking them merely elicits a response. They are not consciously aware and therefore do not have conscious suffering. Katehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11899366082806224016noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-31994921814378052032013-02-13T15:18:21.944-05:002013-02-13T15:18:21.944-05:00I am a mother. I have a two year old son. I woul...I am a mother. I have a two year old son. I would most definitely donate bone marrow to him in the above situation. However, that would be my choice. There are no laws saying that I must. Just the same way I would choose not to have an abortion (unless my life was in danger, meaning I'd leave my husband without a wife and my son without a mother, or if there was early fetal demise).<br /><br />Making abortion illegal is not going to stop abortions, it's just going to make them dangerous and possibly fatal to the woman involved, as well. If you truly want to end abortion, end the reasons women seek them out. A few of those reasons are; lack of sex ed, lack of cost effective birth control, lack of financial support (medical bills, food, having to take time off work where maternity benefits aren't offered), lack of emotional support (having to stay with an abusive husband/partner, for example), etc. It's funny that the most staunch pro-lifers also want to put an end to programs that would actually help a woman with an unwanted pregnancy (medicaid/socialized medicine, head start, food stamps, job training programs, better maternity benefits for the entire nation, etc.)Amandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-47381160907506045742013-02-13T07:26:28.690-05:002013-02-13T07:26:28.690-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Haley Longhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06498597671137517090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-32171288641415547192013-02-13T01:37:12.345-05:002013-02-13T01:37:12.345-05:00As a R.N. who just retired after working 47 years ...As a R.N. who just retired after working 47 years I want to say what I most noticed about this story was how unprofessional the nurse was. A R.N. who is late every day for work in the real world is soon out of a job. Nursing isn't a profession where one can just show up late without consequences. <br /><br />She hates her job but has to keep it because she needs the money and can't do anything else. Nursing is a wonderful profession because it offers so many different opportunities. She could get any number of jobs in a hospital, clinic, home care agency, or school.<br /><br />A R.N. takes anatomy and physiology, and OB/GYN nursing as part of her/his undergraduate degree. She has studied all the stages of fetal development. She also would have seen prenatal ultrasounds before. <br /><br />A R.N. would not delay starting prenatal care for her own pregnancy.She would have known she was pregnant prior to 3 months. It is highly unlikely she could walk into a crisis pregnancy center and get an ultrasound on her lunch break without a previous appointment.I also find it hard to believe that a recent widow would consider an abortion of her first pregnancy. I suppose it's a remote possibility but every woman I have known who has been pregnant at the time of her husband's death considers that pregnancy to be a blessing.<br /><br />All in all, the story was too simplistic even for a 17 y.o. Elizabeth Olmstead McBridehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00416025882059686553noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-82158865341273505212013-02-12T20:19:25.632-05:002013-02-12T20:19:25.632-05:00May I inquire, where is this information coming fr...May I inquire, where is this information coming from?Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-89193009726799074832013-02-12T20:12:35.625-05:002013-02-12T20:12:35.625-05:00Planned Parenthood manager Abby Johnson witnessed ...Planned Parenthood manager Abby Johnson witnessed a baby (via ultrasound) moving away from the instrument that would soon take its life. The nervous system begins forming at the end of the 2nd week after conception! How can you believe that the baby is not "capable of feeling pain"?! Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-81052245593022925652013-02-12T19:48:24.606-05:002013-02-12T19:48:24.606-05:00Amanda, as a mother I can tell you that LOVE for y...Amanda, as a mother I can tell you that LOVE for your child would compel you to donate that bone marrow, even if in doing so it cost you your own life. Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-11780436930021970852013-02-12T19:44:49.328-05:002013-02-12T19:44:49.328-05:00As stated before, this was a quick writing assignm...As stated before, this was a quick writing assignment; written in an afternoon to be presented that evening after dinner. I did see that the story needed work, and regret that I didn't share that with Haley before she rushed to post it here for the anniversary of Roe vs Wade (per suggestion of her older sisters). Honestly though, I don't think it is nearly as bad as you are making it seem. "It does not reflect well on home-schoolers"??? <br /><br />I agree with you Ellie, and Haley is planning to do the research and revise the story. I would really like for her to talk with a former nurse who assisted with abortions, who had bought the lies that a "fetus" is not a baby till the day she removed her glove and found a perfectly- formed tiny hand. Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-51766433213149749452013-02-12T19:24:28.047-05:002013-02-12T19:24:28.047-05:00A fetus cannot feel pain at 8 weeks. That is when ...A fetus cannot feel pain at 8 weeks. That is when its nervous system and brain first begin to form. It begins to feel pain well into the second trimester.Aliyahhttp://plannedparenthood.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-56923155029489134562013-02-12T19:22:28.963-05:002013-02-12T19:22:28.963-05:00It does not have a nervous system capable of feeli...It does not have a nervous system capable of feeling pain. And it does not writhe in pain (outside of propaganda films).Aliyahhttp://plannedparenthood.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-35714864567900811372013-02-12T18:50:25.673-05:002013-02-12T18:50:25.673-05:00Thanks for sharing that story, Mrs. Long. It was g...Thanks for sharing that story, Mrs. Long. It was good!Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-80339614221899634062013-02-12T18:08:11.365-05:002013-02-12T18:08:11.365-05:00Hmm. As I remember, we weren't debating the gr...Hmm. As I remember, we weren't debating the grade of the paper, but the topic of it. When we start grading her skills, perhaps you ought to read the things she has studied, like WWII. Gotta say, I'm a HUGE fan of her WWII stories. Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-11600991367886239022013-02-12T17:13:04.475-05:002013-02-12T17:13:04.475-05:00Well, what if my 3 year old's life depended on...Well, what if my 3 year old's life depended on me donating bone marrow to him? I'm the only match out there. If I don't donate my bone marrow, he dies. There is no law saying I must donate my bone marrow to him. None. It's the same with an embryo or fetus. If the mother does not want to give up part of herself (uterus, blood supply, weight gain, financial stress, depression, feeling sick for 9 months, etc., etc.), she doesn't have to. That's what we call bodily autonomy. I do not have to sacrifice my body or part of my body in order to save someone else's life. It's even the case when I die. If I am not an organ donor, no one can take my organs when I die. Why are we saying that a pregnant woman cannot have the same rights as every other citizen when it comes to their pregnancy?Amandanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-64132036455067087552013-02-12T16:55:13.317-05:002013-02-12T16:55:13.317-05:00A pro-life story that is filled with inaccurate in...A pro-life story that is filled with inaccurate information does no good in supporting the pro-life stance. The story, if turned in like this without being almost entirely rewritten should have recieved a poor grade. It does not reflect well on homeschoolers or a pro-lifer that a 17 year old knew so little about the subject she was writing. At 17, if she is truly passionate about this subject she should be able to research and write a fiction story that is at least close to reality. <br /><br />This is advice from a person who was homeschooled her entire life and at the age of 17 I knew about how to research a subject, even a subject for a quick assignment. I would have been handed this paper back and told to do it again because it showed that I had a complete lack of understanding when it came to the subject I was writing about. As my mother always said, anything worth doing is worth doing right. Tabithanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-41663362526770895862013-02-12T15:00:02.238-05:002013-02-12T15:00:02.238-05:00Maybe it wasn't perfect, in fact, it wasn'...Maybe it wasn't perfect, in fact, it wasn't! It was just a draft and an idea that she had, a school assignment, and a try. I think the story, adjusted and researched, could turn into a high impact story, and a means of supporting unborn children. Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-26030969470418972052013-02-12T14:41:30.053-05:002013-02-12T14:41:30.053-05:00Indeed. If you drugged the 3-year old to sleep and...Indeed. If you drugged the 3-year old to sleep and killed him painlessly, is it any different?Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-19414976682649167352013-02-12T13:50:28.553-05:002013-02-12T13:50:28.553-05:00Regardless of the politics and political agenda th...Regardless of the politics and political agenda there's a lot about this story that doesn't make sense.<br /><br />-A nurse has enough medical knowledge and training to know about every stage of fetal development. And given how in-demand her job is (that the clinic only had one registered nurse) it seems weird she'd be in a line of work that she hated.<br /><br />-<br /><br />-The nurse was terrible at her job. She was constantly late, and had a bad attitude towards her work. Why would the doctor want to fight to keep her at his clinic? In any case he had reason to complain about her lack of professionalism to her future employers. When the nurse retaliates to say she can report him for lack of professionalism she has no facts or examples to give. What did the doctor do that would mean he'd get lose his medical liscense? He had not anything unprofessional <br /><br />-If a woman with a high paying job and insurance knows she's pregnant wouldn't she go to an OB-gyn for medical apointments?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-12266599884206866172013-02-12T11:29:50.619-05:002013-02-12T11:29:50.619-05:00I just wonder, why is it okay to kill the unborn, ...I just wonder, why is it okay to kill the unborn, and not kill...say...a 3-year old?<br /><br />Reaganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05742866310764161405noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-32398075084288654452013-02-12T10:04:28.549-05:002013-02-12T10:04:28.549-05:00I sign my name because I'm not ashamed to say ...I sign my name because I'm not ashamed to say what I say, just as you aren't ashamed to say what you say. We certainly aren't going to agree, I just wish you'd let your daughter a little more space to think without worrying you'll disown or be upset by that. One of the BEST parts about creative writing is to take on a topic that's totally outside your worldview. <br /><br />But we don't need to argue. I wish you and your family all the best.Andrewhttp://www.thoughtsonblank.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-8062204772117482022013-02-12T09:42:22.753-05:002013-02-12T09:42:22.753-05:00As a side note here, when I sought an abortion in ...As a side note here, when I sought an abortion in 1996, I was told that I had to be at least SEVEN weeks pregnant before the procedure could be performed. Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-58853911032965224822013-02-12T09:39:35.300-05:002013-02-12T09:39:35.300-05:00I'm not sure who this comment is directed towa...I'm not sure who this comment is directed toward, but we staunchly believe that a baby is a human life at conception. Everything is included in those cells that have been joined together; the DNA is in order; all that is necessary is time for development. Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-67690931786891551842013-02-12T09:34:37.086-05:002013-02-12T09:34:37.086-05:00I readily admit that Haley is not quite as educate...I readily admit that Haley is not quite as educated about such matters as you were. As stated before, this was a quick school assignment (she chose the topic) and I am impressed with her writing style and wording. She is learning about research and eventually will "know her stuff". She posted this thinking it would be read only by her writing buddies; she really had no idea it would be posted in a forum where it would be torn apart. We will allow it to stay, because I believe there is a good lesson in responsibility to be learned here.<br /><br />If she had written this from a pro-choice stance I would have much more to be concerned about than her level of writing. I would feel that I had failed miserably as a God-fearing Christian mom.<br /><br />On a side note Andrew, I want to tell you that though I do not agree with your worldview, I do respect the fact that you at least sign your name, standing behind your words, rather than hiding behind anonymous comments. Thank you for that.Treasures from a shoeboxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10365888492682303470noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-5093348878071247692013-02-12T07:55:00.043-05:002013-02-12T07:55:00.043-05:00I think we're both up to date on our info, Che...I think we're both up to date on our info, Cheryl probably more than I. <br />When the baby is aborted, it jerks and has tremors and writhes in pain. Those are things the mother can't see, only the doctor. <br />If you look at my comment below--that fetus IS a baby! <br />Remember that "Horton Hears a Who" quote? "A person's a person no matter how small"? That IS a child, and 56 million of them have been murdered. Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2049602823802700172.post-51304593915313672702013-02-12T07:46:45.656-05:002013-02-12T07:46:45.656-05:00When Does Life Begin? Just when does an unborn bab...When Does Life Begin? Just when does an unborn baby become a “real person”? Science tells us that when the 23 chromosomes of the sperm unity with the ovum’s 23 chromosomes, a new 46 chromosome is formed. When this process (fertilization) is complete, a new human being exists. This cell is a complete genetic package programmed for development into a mature adult. Nothing will be added except time and nutrition. It’s been medically proven that the baby’s heart starts beating from 14-28 days after conception (usually before the mother even knows she’s pregnant), and by the 30th day, almost every organ has started to form! He moves his arms and legs by six weeks and by 43 days his brain waves can be READ. By eight weeks a baby has his very own fingerprints, he can urinate, make a strong fist, and he can feel pain. Each stage of development from fertilization to old age is merely a maturing of what is entirely there at the start. Elliehttp://aquamarinedreams.wordpress.comnoreply@blogger.com